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What an awesome day! Perhaps this is the day that some of you make that change and it's the beginning of journey to riches! The power is within you

That's fantastic. Dancing on page 1 is *really* good! Most when their sites dance it's across much wider ranges which means there's something google doesn't like about their sites.

Since you're dancing on page 1 it tells you that everything must be pretty strong and google is happy with your sites.

The Boardroom is pretty cool. Maybe The Executive Boardroom ?

I like The Situation Room too. I think I'll rename the staff board to that! :-)

Could always have a lower VIP area called "The Apprentice Boardroom" or something too with that theme.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. We'll have a chat in the new Situation Room(hehe) and decide what we're going to use and who'll be getting the first invites soon!

Sure was creo! I implemented ASAP and it works great - pure gold !

Actually got my new PR4 tonight

That's great, glad my advice has helped someone! So many just shrug it off and go back to xrumer/scrapebox but the Panda is a hungry beast and he only likes content :-)

Google have an algorithm that determines how fresh content should be for a particular keyword and they always have had that but the difference now is that they seem to have cranked up the sensitivity of it.

It makes sense though because even for keywords that don't necessarily benefit hugely from new content what's going to be better for the users, a site with 500 words of content updated once or a site that updates regularly with 1000+ words of content. It's hard for the spammers to really beat the system too this time because the only way to beat the system is to "join the system", ie more regular good content. I can't see that happening though, so those of us who take the time to write good stuff will have a big advantage.

You don't have to update forever either, just pretty much until you're top spot, or as high as you can go purely from content. Since you're doing a hard keyword you'll want to just keep hammering with fresh content and social bookmarking those updates.

I would even go so far as to say that for SEO the following are now superfluous:

article marketing
directories
forum profiles
forum signatures
2 way link exchanges
comments

Note I say 'superfluous' because they still work, but it's like using an old manual lawnmower when you have an electric one at your disposal.

So many big SEO companies still use the above, but it's just madness and it's really people blindly ignoring the facts and clinging to beliefs. That's something people do naturally. Once they have an idea that's strongly ingrained people find it VERY hard to let it go and accept something else.

Things are actually simpler than most think. Google are trying to get as close as possible to acting like 1 big omniscient human reviewer that wants to give people the best possible pages in search results. They do want that because by providing people with the best organic results they'll continue to be on top which means they'll continue to make money from Adwords.

I always ask myself what would make most sense for returning the best results for people if I were an omniscient Google algorithm as the algorithm is becoming so advanced that we can actually ask ourselves that question now. 3-4 years ago that question wouldn't make sense because the algorithm was too elementary and 5+ years ago it was very simplistic.

I also read up on the google patents

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http://www.seobythesea.com/2011/02/google-patents-updated/
Also listen to Matt Cutts. He gives so many clues to things. People dismiss him because they think nothing useful can be learned since he is part of Google. He doesn't spread misinformation in a futile attempt to get people to stop doing certain things. If he says something it's because it's actually true. it's in his/Google's best interest you find out what works. If sites didn't do any seo/promotion it would be very hard for Google to rank the best pages for users so they want you to know what works. What they don't tell you is shortcuts to get ranked high and beat the system.

We know that Google has something called a 'self' link which are links that it knows you've created yourself and have very very low value. Forum profiles and comments are self links. I'm not sure about article directories. I don't think they are although I'm not 100% on that one. It's quite likely they are as Google knows about the article directories and it knows that almost no one creates articles to link to other sites except their own. :-)

Article directories are even lower now with Panda due to the fact that the sites themselves aren't as strong since they're so full of duplicate content. So that combined with the above fact makes them really useless. That's why people mess around for months jumping up and down the serps when all they're doing is scrapebox/articles/directories/comments and maybe eventually settle somewhere reasonably high after a while if they've ended up with some good links in there or more likely just keep jumping around.

One thing I don't know is the negative effect certain backlinks have on your site. Too many too fast will definitely knock you down and they actually list a formula in the one of the patents that can explain why that happens and why it's temporary. But that's just for massive xrumer/scrapebox spam. What I'm not sure about is if just having a bunch of articles/directory comments etc can have any negative impact or if it's just netural.

But really for backlinks all you want is social bookmarking(just the big sites, not 1000's of social bookmarks, again that's just the spammer mentality adding superfluity) and guest blog posts linking to you.

For guest blogs go after sites either in your niche if you can, or in a similar niche. Google knows how closely 1 niche is to another. Got a call of duty site? Any gaming site will be good for you etc. For your article make sure you're allowed to link INSIDE the article. Links within relevant content on a good relevant site are as good as it gets. Avoid all 'blogroll' links. Google also knows the difference between them and content links. They're ok though providing it's not a 2 way link. (site a to site b and site b to site a, ie even different pages on the site) but if you're guest blogging and taking the time to write someone an article you'll be able to ask that you can link within that content.

And remember to social bookmark the guest blogging post too.



Oh and if anyone reading this runs an SEO company I wouldn't advise that you just do social bookmarking and guest blogging because some of your customers will be smart enough to have a basic understanding of what you're doing and even if you rank their pages they might think they're not getting enough value as people often associate value not with results but with work. Just mix in some articles, directories so your customers feel like it's a "big complex plan" :-)


Good luck with your journey to page 1 for your keywords, bulldogzg! You're definitely going to get there.

Heh, was that my tip to do the 1000+ articles instead of 400-500?

Hello all and happy Halloween!

Day 10.

I kept at it and continued to build links using BMR and linkamotion BUT actually increased to 3 post a day each. Got my bookmarks outsourced to 120+ sites every 2-3 days. My private blog network post is still not set up but the guys said between 7-10 days so waiting for this to kick in too any day now.
Got a great tip on this forum to add new content but not the usual seo size (400-500 words) so I posted a 1000+ word article to my site. This is what I'm gonna be doing every few days too.

Anyway my no1. targeted KW sitting at #19 and all the other KW's are climbing like crazy too!

I'm getting very optimistic about this site and promise to keep you updated till I hit no1. 

Hi everyone,

Just a note to warn people that there may be the occasional scammer who tries to sell something on here and since the staff aren't here 24/7 it can take a few hours before we come online to delete it.

So whatever you do don't send ANY money to anyone trying to sell you anything anywhere on the forum unless you see an ok from an admin, either myself or seo20.

We are planning on allowing members to sell their services in the future but when we do it will have its own dedicated section *and* you will always see a staff review.

So if you see anyone selling anything at all please report it immediately and feel free to post on the thread warning others not to send any money.


Thanks,
creo

It depends how competitive the keyword is and where it's currently ranking.

If you're number 1 then you don't have to add new content unless it's the type of keyword that Google thinks should have fresh content, ie, is very time-dependent.

If you're not number 1 then adding more content to your pages is VERY beneficial post-panda.

Your main domain targets the primary keywords and you can list all the articles there on the main index but when you click on an individual article it goes to its own page.

So when you add new content you should be both targeting new keywords you've not targeted before, the same keywords as before to add even more content for them and then giving each article its own page linking back to the home page as well as on the main index home page displaying all posts/articles as the index is generally where the bulk of your traffic will come and will be targeting your main keywords. (unless you're a very very large site)

Congratulations on your promotion ExecutiveCloser! :-) We're glad to have you on the new team as the first staff member!

Lots of great things to come in the future and glad to have you on-board to help make it all happen.



Cheers,
creo

Hey guys,

I'd like to share a great method that an old friend of mine uses to make $500-$600/week. He's been doing this for over a year and the last time I spoke to him around 2 months ago he was continuing to make money with this even after the Panda update. Since I've not seen him in a while I wasn't able to ask him if this would be ok but he owes me big time for some things I did for him last year so I know for a fact he'd be ok with me re-producing this for you guys to benefit from as it's impossible for this to get saturated.

I've used the method personally and made some money with it. It's not your usual "make $100000/day" type get rich quick crap. It requires a little hard work, some persistence and a little patience to get results with, but you WILL make some money with this that you can reinvest in other bigger projects so it's an excellent method for beginners or anyone currently struggling. Best of all this requires NO hosting, NO investment, NO proxies, NO software and NO special skills. Literally anyone can make this work. Enjoy.

The method at its core is promoting clickbank products with article marketing. There are many article directories you can use with one of the most widely known being ezinearticles but I'd recommend you avoid ezine as approval times can be long and it's not as strong as it once was in Google. I recommend using articlesbase just now but I would also do some reserach on the different article directories out there and try a few. See if you can find a hidden gem that works well for you. Learning to further develop and research an existing method is the key to success. Don't ever just take something and copy it exactly.


Articlesbase generally only takes a day or 2 to get your article approved and after a dozen approved articles they'll be auto-accepted.

Picking a Product to Promote on Clickbank
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The first thing we look at when deciding on a new product is the gravity. Higher gravity means the product is getting more sales but also means there's more affiliates promoting it and thus more competition is likely in Google. Technically the gravity is a weighted value ranging from 0.1-1 representing the number of distinct affiliates who got a sale in the past 8 weeks. When an affiliate gets a sale 1 is added and as time goes on if he doesn't get anymore sales the number goes down from 1 to 0.1. So the figure gives us a representation of the number of affiliates currently making sales with a product.

The general consensus among cb experts is that the sweet spot for gravity is between 100-200. But of course you can go for 200+ if you've found some targeted longtail keywords with very low competition or under 100 if you're convinced the sales page will convert well. It could be that the product is just new and other affiliates haven't latched on to it yet. The decision is up to you and adds more ways to twist things to make more profit.

Next we look at average %/sale. You want products with at least 60%, preferably 80%+ for this and at least $20 per sale commission. The reason for this is that if let's say the % is 40% for product 1 and it costs $100, product 2 is 80% and costs $50. You'll make the same commission on both, but product 2 is half the price of product 1 which means you'll get more sales.

So you've scanned over some products in a niche you like and you see one that matches the criterea above. Next visit the sales page and read over it.

Do you think it'll convert easily?

Do they offer good bonuses?

Does it look trustworthy?

Would you buy?

Do you think others would buy?

Does the site look professional?


Finding a Longtail Keyword for your Article Title
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Once you find a product you like the next step is keyword research. This is crucial and it's why most people fail when they try article marketing. You can't just create any old article, stick a title on it then put in your affiliate ilnk and expect it to magically get traffic. You have to load up the adwords keyword tool and input some base keywords related to your niche. (Tip: Make sure to log into your google account so you don't get a captcha and you get the full results)

You need to pick a longtail keyword that has low competition. This right here is the key to your success. If you don't pick the right keywords you won't rank on google and get traffic.

Pick a few longtails that look like they'll have low competition, ie, don't pick "make money online" or things that are clearly going to have competition. You only need to go for longtails that have 100+ searches per month because you'll be pumping out a few articles a day and once the article is done there's NO seo work, so if you have 50 articles done over the week on longtail keywords getting 100-200 searches per month then that's going to be at least 1000 hits to your article over the course of the month resulting in in 100 or so visits to the clickbank page and hopefully a handful of sales. Remembering that each week you're adding more and more articles so this residual income adds up.

It's simple to determine if a longtail keyword has low enough competition. Just google it. Look at the top 5 results. Is the title an exact match? What does the description say? Is it related to what you searched for? Basically you're just trying to determine how relevant the top 5 pages are to what you searched for. As a human this is easy. Here's an example

Let's take this longtail: "how to install linux on ipaq 5550"

If you search for that you can clearly see the top 5 results are loosely relevant to the longtail. You could easily write an article with that title and rank top 3.

Where-as if you search for "how to make money online" you can see the top 5 results are VERY relevant to the longtail.

What we care about here is RELEVANCE. We're not interested in the strength of the top 5 results(ie, backlinks, authority, PR).

We want to go after longtail keywords where the top 5 keywords aren't very relevant, or are only slightly relevant to the keyword.

You'll also want to check the competition of the following:

'product name scam'
'is product name a scam'
'product name review'
'product name reviews'
'product name author'
'author name scam'

You get the idea.. :-) Putting things like 'product name' and 'author name' into the adwords keyword tool will give you a bunch of suggestions too.

Also, make sure you uncheck "Broad" to the left and check "[Exact]" instead for more accurate search volume in the results.


Writing your Article
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The best style for your article is a review style. The key here is making it a personal review. The human touch. Do NOT make it sound like a sales letter. Pretend that you're writing a review for a close friend and you're including your personal experiences/emotions. Include small negatives and immediately follow with a positive. This is a powerful marketing technique because people implicitly believe anything negative you say as absolute truth. For example let's say you're reviewing an ab workout and you want to convey that it's REALLY easy to do. You can't just say "The ab workout is SUPER easy!" -- Why? Because it sounds like you're a salesman and they won't believe your hype. Instead use a negative leading to a positive like this "One of the downfalls to this workout is that it feels TOO EASY and it doesn't feel like you're actually getting a workout but I was pleasantly surprised by week 2 when I could start to see my abs developing for the first time in my life." That actually conveys that the workout is both easy and that it has quick results. :-)

After you've written your review place your affiliate link at the bottom. Articlebase don't allow clickbank or several of the popular url shorteners like tinyurl so you'll need to use http://alturl.com. You'll be able to place the alturl that links to your cb product without any issues at all.


Extra Tip: You can also find existing reviews and spin them using our very own content spinner! I would recommend doing this in addition to writing your own articles. But  DO NOT use the same author accounts for your quality articles as you do for your spun articles. Create SEPARATE accounts as you want your quality ones to last long-term. The spun articles can be used to get a larger quantity articles out quickly.


Conclusion
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The key to this working is in QUALITY QUALITY QUALITY. Pick the right product, write a good review and pick a low competition keyword for your article title. Rinse and repeat for 2-3 products a day doing 4-5 articles for each product and you'll be on your way to setting up a nice little recurring income business that'll allow you to either quit your day job or reinvest in bigger projects.



Tips
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Create multiple author accounts on articlesbase and whatever other article directory you decide to use and spread your articles.

Don't limit yourself to the IM niche. There are SO many untapped niches out there.

For ideas on different niches and potential markets go to a big magazine store and have a browse at the various niche market magazines. Look at the ads and get a feel for what people are buying in the niche.

Get additional traffic by building up twitter accounts with targeted followers and tweet your articles.

Get additional traffic by building facebook fan pages and sharing the articles!

For your author pic use a hot girl!

Keep developing your ideas and trying out different twists on this. There's so many ways you can go with the basic method.

Have fun, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in the thread!

nofollow links contribute towards keyword relevance through the anchor text and that's why they appear to help, but the law of diminishing returns applies to nofollow because of this. There's only so much relevancy you can get for a keyword.

If you have very high relevancy to a keyword and weaker backlinks vs a competitor who has very strong, authoritative backlinks but weaker relevancy to the keyword then you'll beat him for that keyword.

dofollow links contribute towards both keyword relevance through anchor text as well as providing 'strength', 'link-juice' which is a variety of things ranging from trust rank, authority, pr etc.

That's all you need to know about dofollow vs nofollow and knowing this you'll understand why people still find nofollow links useful and why they only find about 10-15 of them useful. Simple.

I'm not going to create a big monotonous list of every DON'T here as I don't think it's an effective way of conveying what we expect of our members.

Instead I'll have a short paragraph about what kind of member we expect you to be followed by a few DON'Ts that aren't obvious or are specific to our forum.

RealTimePlease goals are to be a friendly, informative business-oriented online/offline marketing forum. Our focus is on creating successful online businesses and with that in mind we're not a blackhat forum discussing borderline fraud and dirty short-term money making schemes.

Blackhat SEO is fine and we have a section for it as you can do Blackhat SEO and have a legitimate site.

We expect our members to act as mature, friendly business professionals. So if your conduct on the forum is within those criteria you'll have a prosperous future both here and in business. :-)

Here's a small list of DON'Ts that aren't obvious from above.

NO hacking, cracking, carding, botnets or anything illegal.
NO cookie stuffing.
NO downloads/warez. We're going the route of not having a downloads section since most shared downloads are useless and some stuff contains viruses. The best info is shared as posts from fellow members.
NO mailing/spam. (Legitimate email marketing is ok, but discussion should be kept to the high level aspect. Ie, not how to mail, but how to build lists, how to write email copys etc)
NO ppi
NO banners/advertising
NO evil stuff!

The list will be amended as time goes on, but I thank you for reading this far and hope this has given you a good idea of what kind of forum we are and what to expect.

Thanks and have fun!

I'm not going to create a big monotonous list of every DON'T here as I don't think it's an effective way of conveying what we expect of our members.

Instead I'll have a short paragraph about what kind of member we expect you to be followed by a few DON'Ts that aren't obvious or are specific to our forum.

RealTimePlease goals are to be a friendly, informative business-oriented online/offline marketing forum. Our focus is on creating successful online businesses and with that in mind we're not a blackhat forum discussing borderline fraud and dirty short-term money making schemes.

Blackhat SEO is fine and we have a section for it as you can do Blackhat SEO and have a legitimate site.

We expect our members to act as mature, friendly business professionals. So if your conduct on the forum is within those criteria you'll have a prosperous future both here and in business. :-)

Here's a small list of DON'Ts that aren't obvious from above.

NO hacking, cracking, carding, botnets or anything illegal.
NO cookie stuffing.
NO downloads/warez. We're going the route of not having a downloads section since most shared downloads are useless and some stuff contains viruses. The best info is shared as posts from fellow members.
NO mailing/spam. (Legitimate email marketing is ok, but discussion should be kept to the high level aspect. Ie, not how to mail, but how to build lists, how to write email copys etc)
NO ppi
NO banners/advertising
NO evil stuff!

The list will be amended as time goes on, but I thank you for reading this far and hope this has given you a good idea of what kind of forum we are and what to expect.

Thanks and have fun!

I'm not going to create a big monotonous list of every DON'T here as I don't think it's an effective way of conveying what we expect of our members.

Instead I'll have a short paragraph about what kind of member we expect you to be followed by a few DON'Ts that aren't obvious or are specific to our forum.

RealTimePlease goals are to be a friendly, informative business-oriented online/offline marketing forum. Our focus is on creating successful online businesses and with that in mind we're not a blackhat forum discussing borderline fraud and dirty short-term money making schemes.

Blackhat SEO is fine and we have a section for it as you can do Blackhat SEO and have a legitimate site.

We expect our members to act as mature, friendly business professionals. So if your conduct on the forum is within those criteria you'll have a prosperous future both here and in business. :-)

Here's a small list of DON'Ts that aren't obvious from above.

NO hacking, cracking, carding, botnets or anything illegal.
NO cookie stuffing.
NO downloads/warez. We're going the route of not having a downloads section since most shared downloads are useless and some stuff contains viruses. The best info is shared as posts from fellow members.
NO mailing/spam. (Legitimate email marketing is ok, but discussion should be kept to the high level aspect. Ie, not how to mail, but how to build lists, how to write email copys etc)
NO ppi
NO banners/advertising
NO evil stuff!

The list will be amended as time goes on, but I thank you for reading this far and hope this has given you a good idea of what kind of forum we are and what to expect.

Thanks and have fun!

Hiya,

I'm a friend of seo20's and I'll be coming on board to help with the day to day running of things to both keep the forum running as a friendly, helpful and great place to be as well as offering any marketing/seo help where I can.

I look forward to getting to know you guys and being a part of what is going to be one of the best marketing forums around.


Regards,
creo