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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2011, 12:49:32 pm »
DAY 18. Quick update

KW1 - #23

KW2 - Dancing a bit now #18 (best was #17)

KW3 - #14

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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2011, 01:26:02 pm »
Seems like you have been doing this thing on a regular basis. That is what  like about this journal "consistency"

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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2011, 03:09:28 pm »
Sure was creo! I implemented ASAP and it works great - pure gold :) !

Actually got my new PR4 tonight


That's great, glad my advice has helped someone! So many just shrug it off and go back to xrumer/scrapebox but the Panda is a hungry beast and he only likes content :-)

Google have an algorithm that determines how fresh content should be for a particular keyword and they always have had that but the difference now is that they seem to have cranked up the sensitivity of it.

It makes sense though because even for keywords that don't necessarily benefit hugely from new content what's going to be better for the users, a site with 500 words of content updated once or a site that updates regularly with 1000+ words of content. It's hard for the spammers to really beat the system too this time because the only way to beat the system is to "join the system", ie more regular good content. I can't see that happening though, so those of us who take the time to write good stuff will have a big advantage.

You don't have to update forever either, just pretty much until you're top spot, or as high as you can go purely from content. Since you're doing a hard keyword you'll want to just keep hammering with fresh content and social bookmarking those updates.

I would even go so far as to say that for SEO the following are now superfluous:

article marketing
directories
forum profiles
forum signatures
2 way link exchanges
comments

Note I say 'superfluous' because they still work, but it's like using an old manual lawnmower when you have an electric one at your disposal.

So many big SEO companies still use the above, but it's just madness and it's really people blindly ignoring the facts and clinging to beliefs. That's something people do naturally. Once they have an idea that's strongly ingrained people find it VERY hard to let it go and accept something else.

Things are actually simpler than most think. Google are trying to get as close as possible to acting like 1 big omniscient human reviewer that wants to give people the best possible pages in search results. They do want that because by providing people with the best organic results they'll continue to be on top which means they'll continue to make money from Adwords.

I always ask myself what would make most sense for returning the best results for people if I were an omniscient Google algorithm as the algorithm is becoming so advanced that we can actually ask ourselves that question now. 3-4 years ago that question wouldn't make sense because the algorithm was too elementary and 5+ years ago it was very simplistic.

I also read up on the google patents

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http://www.seobythesea.com/2011/02/google-patents-updated/
Also listen to Matt Cutts. He gives so many clues to things. People dismiss him because they think nothing useful can be learned since he is part of Google. He doesn't spread misinformation in a futile attempt to get people to stop doing certain things. If he says something it's because it's actually true. it's in his/Google's best interest you find out what works. If sites didn't do any seo/promotion it would be very hard for Google to rank the best pages for users so they want you to know what works. What they don't tell you is shortcuts to get ranked high and beat the system.

We know that Google has something called a 'self' link which are links that it knows you've created yourself and have very very low value. Forum profiles and comments are self links. I'm not sure about article directories. I don't think they are although I'm not 100% on that one. It's quite likely they are as Google knows about the article directories and it knows that almost no one creates articles to link to other sites except their own. :-)

Article directories are even lower now with Panda due to the fact that the sites themselves aren't as strong since they're so full of duplicate content. So that combined with the above fact makes them really useless. That's why people mess around for months jumping up and down the serps when all they're doing is scrapebox/articles/directories/comments and maybe eventually settle somewhere reasonably high after a while if they've ended up with some good links in there or more likely just keep jumping around.

One thing I don't know is the negative effect certain backlinks have on your site. Too many too fast will definitely knock you down and they actually list a formula in the one of the patents that can explain why that happens and why it's temporary. But that's just for massive xrumer/scrapebox spam. What I'm not sure about is if just having a bunch of articles/directory comments etc can have any negative impact or if it's just netural.

But really for backlinks all you want is social bookmarking(just the big sites, not 1000's of social bookmarks, again that's just the spammer mentality adding superfluity) and guest blog posts linking to you.

For guest blogs go after sites either in your niche if you can, or in a similar niche. Google knows how closely 1 niche is to another. Got a call of duty site? Any gaming site will be good for you etc. For your article make sure you're allowed to link INSIDE the article. Links within relevant content on a good relevant site are as good as it gets. Avoid all 'blogroll' links. Google also knows the difference between them and content links. They're ok though providing it's not a 2 way link. (site a to site b and site b to site a, ie even different pages on the site) but if you're guest blogging and taking the time to write someone an article you'll be able to ask that you can link within that content.

And remember to social bookmark the guest blogging post too.



Oh and if anyone reading this runs an SEO company I wouldn't advise that you just do social bookmarking and guest blogging because some of your customers will be smart enough to have a basic understanding of what you're doing and even if you rank their pages they might think they're not getting enough value as people often associate value not with results but with work. Just mix in some articles, directories so your customers feel like it's a "big complex plan" :-)


Good luck with your journey to page 1 for your keywords, bulldogzg! You're definitely going to get there.


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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2011, 05:54:07 pm »
Seems like you have been doing this thing on a regular basis. That is what  like about this journal "consistency"

I guarantee I'll keep you guys updated till I hit #1!

Then I'll go for a vacation and get back here to keep you updated on a new site  ;D

j/k but really I'm not gonna give up or let this thread die, and thank for the kind words

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« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2011, 07:24:33 pm »
That's great, glad my advice has helped someone! So many just shrug it off and go back to xrumer/scrapebox but the Panda is a hungry beast and he only likes content :-)

Google have an algorithm that determines how fresh content should be for a particular keyword and they always have had that but the difference now is that they seem to have cranked up the sensitivity of it.

It makes sense though because even for keywords that don't necessarily benefit hugely from new content what's going to be better for the users, a site with 500 words of content updated once or a site that updates regularly with 1000+ words of content. It's hard for the spammers to really beat the system too this time because the only way to beat the system is to "join the system", ie more regular good content. I can't see that happening though, so those of us who take the time to write good stuff will have a big advantage.

You don't have to update forever either, just pretty much until you're top spot, or as high as you can go purely from content. Since you're doing a hard keyword you'll want to just keep hammering with fresh content and social bookmarking those updates.

I would even go so far as to say that for SEO the following are now superfluous:

article marketing
directories
forum profiles
forum signatures
2 way link exchanges
comments

Note I say 'superfluous' because they still work, but it's like using an old manual lawnmower when you have an electric one at your disposal.

So many big SEO companies still use the above, but it's just madness and it's really people blindly ignoring the facts and clinging to beliefs. That's something people do naturally. Once they have an idea that's strongly ingrained people find it VERY hard to let it go and accept something else.

Things are actually simpler than most think. Google are trying to get as close as possible to acting like 1 big omniscient human reviewer that wants to give people the best possible pages in search results. They do want that because by providing people with the best organic results they'll continue to be on top which means they'll continue to make money from Adwords.

I always ask myself what would make most sense for returning the best results for people if I were an omniscient Google algorithm as the algorithm is becoming so advanced that we can actually ask ourselves that question now. 3-4 years ago that question wouldn't make sense because the algorithm was too elementary and 5+ years ago it was very simplistic.

I also read up on the google patents

Code: [Select]
http://www.seobythesea.com/2011/02/google-patents-updated/
Also listen to Matt Cutts. He gives so many clues to things. People dismiss him because they think nothing useful can be learned since he is part of Google. He doesn't spread misinformation in a futile attempt to get people to stop doing certain things. If he says something it's because it's actually true. it's in his/Google's best interest you find out what works. If sites didn't do any seo/promotion it would be very hard for Google to rank the best pages for users so they want you to know what works. What they don't tell you is shortcuts to get ranked high and beat the system.

We know that Google has something called a 'self' link which are links that it knows you've created yourself and have very very low value. Forum profiles and comments are self links. I'm not sure about article directories. I don't think they are although I'm not 100% on that one. It's quite likely they are as Google knows about the article directories and it knows that almost no one creates articles to link to other sites except their own. :-)

Article directories are even lower now with Panda due to the fact that the sites themselves aren't as strong since they're so full of duplicate content. So that combined with the above fact makes them really useless. That's why people mess around for months jumping up and down the serps when all they're doing is scrapebox/articles/directories/comments and maybe eventually settle somewhere reasonably high after a while if they've ended up with some good links in there or more likely just keep jumping around.

One thing I don't know is the negative effect certain backlinks have on your site. Too many too fast will definitely knock you down and they actually list a formula in the one of the patents that can explain why that happens and why it's temporary. But that's just for massive xrumer/scrapebox spam. What I'm not sure about is if just having a bunch of articles/directory comments etc can have any negative impact or if it's just netural.

But really for backlinks all you want is social bookmarking(just the big sites, not 1000's of social bookmarks, again that's just the spammer mentality adding superfluity) and guest blog posts linking to you.

For guest blogs go after sites either in your niche if you can, or in a similar niche. Google knows how closely 1 niche is to another. Got a call of duty site? Any gaming site will be good for you etc. For your article make sure you're allowed to link INSIDE the article. Links within relevant content on a good relevant site are as good as it gets. Avoid all 'blogroll' links. Google also knows the difference between them and content links. They're ok though providing it's not a 2 way link. (site a to site b and site b to site a, ie even different pages on the site) but if you're guest blogging and taking the time to write someone an article you'll be able to ask that you can link within that content.

And remember to social bookmark the guest blogging post too.



Oh and if anyone reading this runs an SEO company I wouldn't advise that you just do social bookmarking and guest blogging because some of your customers will be smart enough to have a basic understanding of what you're doing and even if you rank their pages they might think they're not getting enough value as people often associate value not with results but with work. Just mix in some articles, directories so your customers feel like it's a "big complex plan" :-)


Good luck with your journey to page 1 for your keywords, bulldogzg! You're definitely going to get there.


Another awesome + extremely useful post creo! Rep and thanks for you :)

I agree with you 100% on this (plus I was never big on blasting my home page directly with Xrumer or SB even before Panda hit) but I was browsing G's webmaster guidelines today and it comes down to this:
create a great page with USEFUL content, make it user friendly and aim to please the visitors + take care of your on site SEO.
That's it from them.
Yes, I'm 100% confident that this wouldn't work without backlinking on an competitive niche but that + a few QUALITY backlinks = site that takes off in serps. And is actually panda (and other g's algo updates) safe.

I'm gonna keep up what I've been doing so far with updating the site regularly since it's not really hard to write about this topic (not giving my niche away  ;) or perhaps I should since Traffic Travis said this KW' are extremely difficult LOL). But yeah when it hits no1 then it's probably a different ball game all together.

You're right about people having trouble letting go of what used to work before, but isn't the great part about SEO the fact that you have to keep working, guessing and figuring out the algo all the time? Being a personal trainer I've seen this a lot with trainers also - if something worked "well" in the 80's and now turns out to be either dangerous or simply waste of time a LOT of them still have trouble letting go.

I read about the good old times when it was enough to just keyword stuff the site (making it almost unreadable) and wait for it to rank. I don't see any sites ranking 1 today with KW density 15% or bigger. You're on the point with the new more sophisticated algos.

There is one more trick I do - check my site on another new and up and coming SE called blekko. Blekko advertises as spam free engine so I just like to check it out also every now and then.

I haven't tested out if it's possible to get too many "good" links at once - but I've been slowly increasing the links I get form my unique articles in BMR and likamotion - right now I'm at 20 a day and they get indexed the same day I post. So far it's only been good but it would be interesting to see what 100 or 200 a day could do to a site.

Article marketing has really gone down hill after the panda, I remember when AMR blast would blast my site 10+ spots up and now it only lowers my rank but if I don't go above 20 or so links (very highly spun content) it's giving some good diversity to the site.

Guest blog posts are probably the most valuable links there are ATM but they also require a lot of time to set up. I'll be contacting some webmasters in my niche or similar ones next week when I create some more unique, quality articles and keep you all posted.

Thanks a bunch for this tips creo, I'll re-read your post a few times and get to work :)
 

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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2011, 11:46:45 am »
DAY 21! AND BEERS ARE ON THE HOUSE  8) 8) 8)

I'm dancing like crazy today but all of the KW's are hitting middle of page one in the dance (non are dropping), might take a few days for the rankings to stabilize but I'll hammer them hard next 7 days!

Anyway super excited, super happy and thanking you guys for all the comments and support!

Wanna make a big contribution to this forum so I'm gonna work on step by step guide how I killed the panda and got my @ss out of the sandbox

Here are some images for you



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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2011, 11:48:10 am »
Two more



and the last


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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2011, 03:47:42 pm »
That's fantastic. Dancing on page 1 is *really* good! Most when their sites dance it's across much wider ranges which means there's something google doesn't like about their sites.

Since you're dancing on page 1 it tells you that everything must be pretty strong and google is happy with your sites.

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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2011, 01:00:23 pm »
DAY 24!

Keeping up my new rankings and even gaining some!
Finally seeing 100+ people on the site and hopping to see some new sales any day now.

Had a small disaster yesterday, my site loading time was amazing 15 seconds (even more according to some speed trackers), but I used this one as an authority one -
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http://gtmetrix.com/So I played for quite some time with W3 total cache plugin and got my site loading time form 15+ seconds to 2.4. Was pretty happy about this. I love this plugin and can't recommend this plugin enough.
Here is a guide I used to configure it
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http://techiezone.net/tutorials/configure-w3-total-cache/
Next I'm gonna spend 50$ on a writer on elance (posted a job) to create an article for me that will make people click more on the affiliate links and test it out a little. Split testing is much easier now that I actually have a traffic I can test on  8)

I'm pretty happy to be seeing 100+ visitors when my best KW's are at #6th, #7th and #9th position, can't wait to see the traffic when I finally hit no1.

On another note, when I got excited to see my site climbing I got back to one more old site that was sandboxed to see if I can do it again (this site has a much easier KW's but still around 30K exact per month combined) and I'm sitting at #4 today. So all is good here  ;)

Here are the new screen-shots form today:




Last one

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Re: Come back journal!
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2011, 12:18:56 am »
Good Going Dude :)

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2011, 02:08:18 pm »
DAY 26.

No change in rankings, but I did manage to get another sale, LOL, nothing much but makes me work even harder!

Hoping to see some big changes soon, managed to get a PR8 contextual (article) do follow backlink, and very interested to see if I'll gain some PR with it.



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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2011, 05:19:17 pm »
DAY 33.

Let the dancing begin - today I woke up to find my site well... nowhere. So I'm gonna keep posting 1000+ words articles and bookmarking till my rankings settle down.

Here are the today's dancing screenshots:







on the bright side I did manage to get a sale a few days ago  ;D



Hopefully the next update will be the best ever, fingers crossed and happy thanks giving everybody!!



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« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2011, 02:26:09 pm »
https://twitter.com/#!/google/status/137689499198160898

Could be from the latest minor panda update. They've got a habit of calling things 'minor' when they're actually not. They said the main panda update was minor too.

Hopefully the site will recover soon.